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All integers are interesting

Postby aryobarzan » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:57 pm

Let's prove this by contradiction. Suppose there exists at least one integer which is not interesting. Among all non-interesting integers we take the least, Then it must be interesting , since being the smallest non-interesting integer is an interesting fact! We came to a contradiction, So all integers all interesting :D
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby theboss » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:58 pm

Lol nice one :P
but how about the other numbers? D:
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby aryobarzan » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:05 pm

Well we can do the same with rational numbers since they are countable.
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby theboss » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:15 pm

How about the irrationals? :P

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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby Zapp » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:27 pm

irrationals? try finding their last digits, it will be an interesting journey :D
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby xander » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:30 pm

The original proof works in the natural numbers (or positive integers), but it fails on the integers. It fails to take into account that the set of uninteresting integers may not have a least (or greatest) element. As the integers are unbounded both above and below, the existence of a least (or greatest) element is by no means certain. As I originally heard the joke, it relies upon the fact that the natural numbers are bounded below, hence there must be a lower bound for the set of uninteresting numbers.

The same argument applies to the rationals, the irrationals, and the reals. Even more so to the complex numbers, which are not strictly ordered.

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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby aryobarzan » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:46 am

Well, You can first prove that all non-negative integers are interesting, then prove that all negatives are.
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby E_net4 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:47 pm

It's true, apparently. We would need to make sure the lowest of the integers was interesting.
What bothers me most is the recursion in there. If the lowest of the uninteresting numbers becomes interesting, we can't reapply the theory to get the next one, even though it is considered interesting. Like, how can A be interesting just because it's the second smallest uninteresting number? But I guess we need a plausible definition of an interesting number first. :P
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby malt16 » Sun Feb 13, 2011 5:51 pm

E_net4 wrote:It's true, apparently. We would need to make sure the lowest of the integers was interesting.
What bothers me most is the recursion in there. If the lowest of the uninteresting numbers becomes interesting, we can't reapply the theory to get the next one, even though it is considered interesting. Like, how can A be interesting just because it's the second smallest uninteresting number? But I guess we need a plausible definition of an interesting number first. :P

But A wouldn't be the second smallest uninteresting number, because A-1 is now interesting. So A would be the new smallest uninteresting number, thus making it interesting.
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby aryobarzan » Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:30 am

E_net4 wrote:It's true, apparently. We would need to make sure the lowest of the integers was interesting.
What bothers me most is the recursion in there. If the lowest of the uninteresting numbers becomes interesting, we can't reapply the theory to get the next one, even though it is considered interesting. Like, how can A be interesting just because it's the second smallest uninteresting number? But I guess we need a plausible definition of an interesting number first. :P

Well we don't really need to prove that all non-interesting integers are interesting.
I want to show that the set of non-interesting integers is empty. So the so called 'Second non-interesting' integer doesn't exist at all. Because we even don't have the first non-interesting
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Spoiler! :
Of course we need a plausible definition for what we call 'interesting' , that's why i put this topic in jokes
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby E_net4 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 7:28 pm

Ha HA! I killed your joke with the attempt of serious resolution methods!
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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby xander » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:15 pm

E_net4 wrote:Ha HA! I killed your joke with the attempt of serious resolution methods!

Isn't that what most math people do? Analyze jokes to death?

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Re: All integers are interesting

Postby gwtkof » Mon Feb 28, 2011 11:14 pm

All reals are interesting.

Consider that if an argument shows that all reals are interesting then it itself is interesting, and any real number used in the proof is by extension interesting, as well (since it was used in an interesting proof). (1)
So let x be real. Clearly x is featured in this proof and this proof is interesting so by (1) x is interesting. But x was arbitrary, therefore all reals are interesting.

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