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e + 1 = 0 or e = -1 ? Both are insufficiently ordered. It should be eπi + 1 = 0. Get it right!

That's how I would write it too when given a choice. Just the convention I'm used to when dealing with complex numbers, a+bi, a=0, b=pi.

I believe the i is normally placed first?

I dunno, I learned it the proper way, Pi x i. See also: http://xkcd.com/179/ and http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/questionCorner/epii.html OK, other sites have it i x Pi.

Thank goodness Disgruntled Mathematician sent this memo; I concur!

I thoroughly agree!

On the i*pi vs pi*i argument, in engineering the i (or "j" as we call it, because we're crazy) comes before the number. I think it's largely an issue of context.

Yeah like in circuits were the impedance of a capacitor is 1/(jwC). btw j makes perfect sense since i is current.

If it isn't taken care of, he's got a formula... FOR DESTRUCTION!

Wouldn't e^(-i*pi)+1=0 be even nicer? You get the "-" sign as well as the "+", the "0" and all ather stuff.

And from now on, we should say E-mc^2=0.

Why would we say something so blatently wrong though? It'd make much more sense to say E/(mc^2)=0

And when I say 0 I definitely mean 1.

So i = (ln(-1))/pi = sqrt(-1) ? Or is it another i I'm thinking about?

Thinking I've read all of xkcd there is, I clicked on bmonk's great links only after I posted. Big mistake.

Problem (theoretically) resolved.

While the i being used is the imaginary unit, it's incorrect to say that i=ln(-1)/pi because the natural log function does not extend canonically to negative numbers, or any complex numbers besides positive reals. It's possible to define ln(-1) only up to integer multiples of 2 pi i.

The beauty about e^(i * pi) + 1 = 0 is that is that one equation clearly demonstrates relationship between e, i , pi, 1 and 0. While in the other representation, 0 is kinda lost.

Except that the relationship doesn't actually involve 0, that's just a construct. Writing e^{i\pi}=-1 more clearly demonstrates its origin in Euler's formula.

So, nothing is lost by using e^(i*pi)=-1 ?

Haha nice!

Uugh! That's a terrible pun. I wish I'd thought of it!

Ditto :D

e^(i*pi)+1=0 gives a relation to e pi i 1 and 0, e^(i*pi) = -1 only to e i pi and -1, and -1 isnt even that interesting.

yay! i recognize the gmail format anywhere :)
(yep, im more of a computer geek than a mathematician, but hey, from thanksgiving, if they didnt have complexity theory, i wouldn't have any fun :)

And of course the second way of writing it includes a 0, making it an equation with each of the 5 most important numbers in mathematics exactly once in it.

It really should be e^(i*tau) = 1 + 0, i.e. a rotation through one complete turn comes back to the original number.

Pi is the wrong circle constant! Embrace the tau! http://tauday.com/

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